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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveFerro wrote:
Hello,

Thank you exdem, and hi gogang-I'm still trying to figure out the difference between the words, very close in spelling: one c, two c's.

The correct way to write "braciola" is with one C, even though we often write it with two c's but it's wrong.


DaveFerro wrote:

Tell about more dishes, exdem, and what about ones in Liguria, Sims?

Our specialities are the basil sauce (called "pesto") to dress the pasta (basil, garlic, olive oil, Parmesan), the focaccia with cheese, and fish, as Liguria is a sea's region.
But please... don't ask me the recipes... I'm a cooking distaster! Embarassed Anxious

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Di troppe cose non so cosa farne, per me che avrei bisogno di poche immagini ma eterne. (G. Gaber)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for being silent, but I have been busy at work.

The recipe aglio ed olio (garlic and olive oil) is used very much in Sicily. In the Palermo area is called 'pasta alla carrittera"... "cart driver's pasta" We also use a lot of parseley with it...and grated cheese of course..

Well, Romans have pasta alla carbonara... 'Charcoal maker's pasta' ....and Palermitans have cart driver's pasta.....

I just love reading all the memories in this thread. Thank you for quoting Jerre Mangione. Oh, it brings memory... I grew up in a small town in Sicily and all the mothers, not just your relatives threated you like their own...except for the slapping the hand part...yes, your mother's was likely being the the heavier... We were a like a big family...

And nw I go read all the posts I have missed...

Goganga, I just love pesto. I am growing lots of basil just for it... I use the recipe from my friends in Genova...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Goganga, I just love pesto. I am growing lots of basil just for it... I use the recipe from my friends in Genova...

Maria


Genova is the "kingdom" of the "pesto". Indeed its name is "pesto alla genovese".

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Happy Times Reply with quote

After looking at other's posts in this area, I see they told about themselves, so here is when things were happiest, with my daugther Melissa. I am attached to the nose in the first pic, keeping Missy's little paws er...feet warm. I had just held her over my head so she could fly a bit. Seemed to like it. Then after the foot warming, she started crying. Still do not know why.



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And many years later, Missy with HER daughter Shania Lee:



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After divorce we did not see each other for years, but she found the cards and letters I sent and we have been closer by e-mail and phone.
Shania turned 8 this past Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great photos Dave....it's almost frightening though isn't just how fast our kids grow up....

I've yet to become a grandmother and I really envy anyone who is. But alas my son feels it's not quite the right time yet to have kids of his own.

All I want to do is be able to have them for the occasional holiday with me - SPOIL 'em rotten Shhh and then send 'em back to their Dad hysteric Now that's what all 'GrandMa's' (and 'Pa's') should be allowed to do - Right'?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carole,

My mother and I would love to spoil Shania AND Melissa, if they would only come to visit. Missy works most of the time and I worry even when they do come. The last time my mother was recovering from an operation, so missed them, and the time before we were at a birthday party, so we missed them then too. I had the feeling she was around, because I kept imagining her coming in the door at the restaurant where we were.

So, whenever a girlfriend or friend or anyone has kids, they are basically adopted, treated like my own.

Following your blogs and sites about Nina and love, I thought of some experiences. When a friend asked me if I watched soap operas, I told her I didn't have to, I lived them. There is some reluctance to post, as the people involved might come across them, and I would like to find them anyway first.

But...one former girlfriend told me when I went to visit her that she used the name Nina when going out with some men. She said "Nina's naughty, David" in a very well...naughty way, upon which I thought hmmmm, both in wonder and worry. Certainly miss her.

I saw the panoramic view you posted and it is no wonder you live there. I would be looking at that for months. Also meant to ask if you are familar with the Lake District in England, as it is compared to our Finger Lakes here, except the ones in England are radiating from a central area. Is this a mountain, and could it be an extinct volcano?

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Missy is still my baby; she will not stop growing up.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is certainly a beautiful little girl you have there Dave.... Just like a little angel_2

In answer to your question about the Lake District in the UK - yes I have visited it on numerous occasions. The last time I stayed here at the Low Wood Hotel on Lake Windemere (NOT my photo)

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- the company I worked for had arranged a week long 'team building' excercise and it was truly memorable....

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especially when my kayak overturned Shhh and I got soaked to the skin.... all my junior managers never let me forget that! hysteric hysteric hysteric

Your comment about the lakes being in a 'volcanic' area made me think - so I just HAD to check it out.... and you were right! See this link:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carole,

Thanks for the comp about Missy, I'll pass it on as she likes that. And such a good girl too. However, I was in California when she was a teenager, so missed that phase.

Speaking of cats...my mom (foster/second cousin) told me that my grandma Bissi called my birth mother (not sure of spelling) Gattanelle: I'm trying to say Little Kitten and I coulc imagine right away my mother crawling up onto granma's lap. Just like Missy.

Having seen many lava cones in the West, the guess about the Lake District seemed logical. One other possibility would have been an ice sheet retreating like at Yosemite and Half Dome pops up.

Here in the Finger Lakes, a glacier covered the area all the way to the southern Pennsylvania border. When it retreated, the lakes were gouged out. The Iroquois legend tells that the Great Spirit placed his hand on the land and made the lakes. I just finished a book on Seneca Indian Myths; they were the tribe to the west of our group, the Cayugas.

I don't have a link handy to Google or MSN Live, but if you want to see the pattern from space, use Auburn, NY as the search.

5:20 am and why am I not asleep? Having too much fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,
thank you for the pictures. Beautiful. I can see why things were happiest for you then.

I have never seen the finger lake region in up state New York, although I have driven not to far from it on the way from Connecticut to Toronto to visit my sister in law. I also have friends (coworkers) who are for the region.

I was going to post this elsewhere in this forum, but since seeing the photos of Missy, I decided to just post it here. It seems fitting, somehow.

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Miracles
Poem lyrics by Walt Whitman.

Why! who makes much of a miracle?
As to me, I know of nothing else but miracles,
Whether I walk the streets of Manhattan,
Or dart my sight over the roofs of houses toward the sky,
Or wade with naked feet along the beach, just in the edge of the
water,
Or stand under trees in the woods,
Or talk by day with any one I love--or sleep in the bed at night with
any one I love,
Or sit at table at dinner with my mother,
Or look at strangers opposite me riding in the car,
Or watch honey-bees busy around the hive, of a summer forenoon,
Or animals feeding in the fields,
Or birds--or the wonderfulness of insects in the air,
Or the wonderfulness of the sun-down--or of stars shining so quiet
and bright,
Or the exquisite, delicate, thin curve of the new moon in spring;
Or whether I go among those I like best, and that like me best--
mechanics, boatmen, farmers,
Or among the savans--or to the soiree--or to the opera,
Or stand a long while looking at the movements of machinery,
Or behold children at their sports,
Or the admirable sight of the perfect old man, or the perfect old
woman,
Or the sick in hospitals, or the dead carried to burial,
Or my own eyes and figure in the glass;
These, with the rest, one and all, are to me miracles,
The whole referring--yet each distinct, and in its place.

To me, every hour of the light and dark is a miracle,
Every cubic inch of space is a miracle,
Every square yard of the surface of the earth is spread with the
same,
Every foot of the interior swarms with the same;
Every spear of grass--the frames, limbs, organs, of men and women,
and all that concerns them,
All these to me are unspeakably perfect miracles.

To me the sea is a continual miracle;
The fishes that swim--the rocks--the motion of the waves--the ships,
with men in them,
What stranger miracles are there?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I have ever seen so many beautiful pictures at one time. Dave, your Daughter and Granddaughter are beautiful. Its too bad you missed out on so much time with Missy. But I do agree...babies never grow up in our minds or in our hearts. Louis just turned sixteen in August and its hard to believe that he is so mature...Both boys have girls calling and stuff and its drives be crazy..especially at 2 am when they should be sleeping (but then again, so should we, right?)

Maria, love the picture and the poem! You have relatives in Toronto? Where abouts? Maybe you already told me before, but I can't remember.

Carole: Made a note to self that if I ever visit you I will not go on a boat with you!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, Hi,

For some reason I did not get e-mail notification for this though I have the watch thing activatived.

Got here because I had the Italian-English Glossary that I thought Nuccia posted but turned out to be Cathy and then couldn't find it. Anyway, last night I was typing away in the garden department when Spybot Search and Destroy said something then I noticed that the icon for the Resident/TeaTimer was gone and then there was a great deal of HD activity so I disconnected and ran Spybot, Yahoo Anti-Spy and Avast Anti-Virus until my fingers fell off the keyboard. I think it was when my fingers slipped because suddenly I was in Preview mode from just replying. Going too fast for my muddled brain.

And so, thank you for the beautiful picture and poem, Maria. I'm going to look up more on Walt Whitman. A lot registered with me as I go around the yard and "scope" things out. How are you nice tomatos? Having fun in that sunflower, bumblebee? Slug, leave Snip alone.

I read a bio of Colette that said she used to let wasps and bees light on her hand even in her 80s, talking to them and stroking them, saying "THEY LIKE THAT!" I will talk to them, but sorry, not gonna pet them. I have to scan some letters the kids sent to me; one is a grading of the garden...I got a B for "Talking to the Plants."

Nuccia and Maria thank you for the compliments on Missy and Shania. I tell them how people like their photos. There's one of her sleeping on my Dad's lap that I like alot, though blurry. Not too worried about posting them here, as you have to be a member and I trust everyone here.

Still haven't heard from her since June. I didn't want to write to my parents whe I was away, and I grew up with them, so I'm understanding about it. I should e-mail again soon: another update on the tomato target practice.

There is much history here, from the Iroquois to the Underground Railroad and Harriet Tubman, Women's Suffrage (Martha Coffin Wright, Lucreta Mott's sister lived here and met with Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony in Seneca Falls, where there is a National Women's Rights Center), to William Henry Seward and John D. Rockefeller. I give friends the tour when they visit They leave exhausted.


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Gotta get to sleep. Tomorrow have to bring Aunt Carrie for a procedure at the hospital, again.

Best to you all,

Dave

This is Missy on a day I was taking care of a neighbor's car. It was safe, no key, in Park and brake on and I just stepped off to take the pics. Nancy was mad, but Missy was so happy, you wouldn't believe it. Hard to get her little hands off the steering wheel too. Almost as hard when she latched onto my hair one day. Sure is hard to trim such small (sharp)fingernails.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

Finally another quote from Jerre Mangione: from Chapter 14 Blighted Land
This was about a visit in the thirties.

"Everywhere I saw replicas of my Rochester relatives. There was the same wide variety of types. Some had the coloring and features of Arabs; others looked like models for El Greco. Sometimes you would see a Moorish head on a Spartan body; or the raven hair and lustrous black black eyes of a Saracen set off by a Roman nose. There were redheads, like my Uncle Nino; soft brunettes, like my mother; and a scattering of blue-eyed blonds.
Tempermentally, they were so much like my Rochester relatives that I realized how futile it was for anyone to believe that Sicilians could become conventional Americans in the course of a single lifetime."

The village he refers to was Munderialli, the old name or Realmonte.
Maria should recognize the above descriptions. We had Italians from all over at our parish, which by the way celebrated 100 years this last weekend. They even had the bell from the old church, and rang it during the celebrations. It is the only Italian church in Auburn, so it was a melting pot of Italian regions and provinces.

This is our 1952 class at the Neighborhood House. Where am I? A hint is the photographer said to look at the teacher.


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And one of Missy with Grandma at the schrine next to St. Francis d'Assisi Church.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a wonderful picture of your mother and Missy.

In the class picture I think you are the boy in checkered shirt standing up behind the teacher with the white shirt.

Thank you so much about the quote of Mangione. How true. Reading it, brought longing and recognition in my heart. It is the same in my family, except the red coloring is more in the beard of my (male) cousins, we have green eyed blonds (me, my sister, my paternal grandfather) and the ones with raven hair have the blue eyes (paternal grandfather and his siblings, his nieces and nephews), and any combination thereof. My mother was all chestnut (hair, eyes) with fair reddish skin. My father has darker complexion, but lighter brown hair and the green eyes of his father, which passed he passed to me, my sister and now my son.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maria,

That's one of my favorite photos of Missy and sent it to her (along with many more) to show her that she was actually with my mom and dad and how much they loved her. She was too young to remember. Her intense gaze at the statue in the grotto gets me. The doll my mom is holding is still here, along with another Missy used to carry around. We wanted to give them to her and Shania, but they haven't come to visit yet.

I really like Mangione's writing, a mixture of love and frustration with his relatives, very familiar to our family. What a bunch of characters. Highly recommended and a quick read.

Close on the class photo: I'm in the back right in the striped shirt NOT looking at the teacher like everyone else (except the little girl, who can't be blamed). In front right with his arms around his legs is my cousin Chick Basile. We grew up together and were like brothers until we moved to Grandma Nervina's house.

Dave

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