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I've maybe got a skeleton in my cupboard!
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Carole B
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: I've maybe got a skeleton in my cupboard! Reply with quote

Shhh Yes I just 'may' have a skeleton in my cupboard. It's my 'maternal grandmother'..... A long story, but she 'sort of' disappeared during WW2. But through a number of GM's 'subterfuges' my mother never really knew her own real identity....
I tried a bit of research - but just got overwhelmed with the number of places one could find information....

Now I wonder..????? Might there be any hope?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Carole,

Of course there is hope!!!!! Doesn't mean you will find, doesn't mean you will like what you find; but no matter what, you can always find something on someone.

Let me put it this way. I am an adoptee. I know my birth family, and I have done research on both sides of my family.

So rattle on here about what you know, or send me an email, and let's see what I can dig up. I always love a challenge!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK - Here's the story. I joined Genes United last year and got some messages from people there (like you and Nuccia) who try and help....well I just wasn't able to make head nor tail of the information which these kind people sent me. At that time 'mind organisation' was not one of my better points - so it was all 'stored' in a pidgeon hole and forgotten. It was only these last couple of day's that brought it back to the surface. So here I am - and here's what I know about Nina Edmed - which as you will see is basically s*d all! I do however still have copies of the information which people found and I didn't know what to do with!

NINA EDMED
I have been trying to trace my maternal grandmother.

My mother always knew her as NINA EDMED. She was told that her father was a pork butcher who died in WW1, and that her (my mother's) name was Muriel Mercia Payne, born in Handsworth, Birmingham.

She went through school under that name and they lived for a while in Stratford-upon-Avon. She (Nina) disowned my mother when she married an army lance corporal in 1936, and from that day mother never heard from her again.

A very old friend of my mothers, before she died in the early 60's, told her that NINA EDMED was killed in a bombing raid in Dover during the war. I've found no trace of her death via the records office for Kent, and was told by them that many parish records were destroyed during bombing raids at that time.

However when my mother was due to marry she asked her mother for a copy of her Birth Certificate - it was refused (I reckon there had been a 'bit of hanky panky' going on......) So my mother had to make a declaration that to the ‘best of her knowledge’ she was Muriel Mercia Payne.

A number of years later she wanted a Passport so now she HAD to have a birth certificate. We went together to Somerset house, and with some help found details of 'a' Muriel, born on the same date, in Handsworth, the certificate gave the mother as Nina Edmed but the Father as Arther Offley - so who was Mr. Payne? Offley and Edmed are both old Kentish names.

So the trail went dead. I'm now trying to resurrect it and find out about my maternal grandparents and their families. So if anyone can help..... My mother was born in 1913 so Nina I would think would have been anywhere between 20 and 30 years old.... Don't know about Arthur though.

Right - that's it as I have always know it. I've only got one small snapshot of her and honest to god she looks like she'd die if she had to smile!

I think it's probably a lost cause and her hidden 'millions' have by now been confiscated by the State Boo hoo!

Carole B.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy The kind of ancestors who leave skeletons to be found in the family closet are far more interesting than the normal ones!!! I have bigamy and murder in the Italian side of my family - and several other whopping misdemeanors to boot Shhh Funny how it is always the most straightlaced and prudish bits of the family that have the biggest secrets. dancing

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoops - posted at the same time as you Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Carole,

I can tell you great stories of both my birth and adoptive families. I should write a book.lol And just to let you know, I was given the birth surname of my birth-mother's dead husband. My original hospital papers listed a totally different man's name who turned out to be my real father. Talk about confusing.lol

I need help here for I don't know places. So here is a list of Arthur's in the 1901 census

Arthur Offley abt 1874 Leytonstone, Essex, England Head Chelmsford Essex

Arthur Offley abt 1877 Wettenhall, Staffordshire, England Servant Sandgate Kent

Arthur G Offley abt 1849 London, England Head Hornsey Middlesex

Arthur G Offley abt 1882 Hornsey, Middlesex, England Son Hornsey Middlesex

Arthur Joseph Offley abt 1896 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Son Leicester formerly St Margaret Leicestershire

Arthur K Offley abt 1885 Stratford, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex

I like the ages of the two in bold.
Still looking

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edmed seems to be a really unusual name. There is nothing in the Kew catalogue. On the 1901 census for England there is an 8 year old 'Wilosmina Edmed' listed. I wonder what Nina was short for.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marisa6 wrote:
Very Happy The kind of ancestors who leave skeletons to be found in the family closet are far more interesting than the normal ones!!! I have bigamy and murder in the Italian side of my family - and several other whopping misdemeanors to boot Shhh Funny how it is always the most straightlaced and prudish bits of the family that have the biggest secrets. dancing

Marisa


Hey now - just a mo' - Who are you suggesting is "Straight Laced and Prudish"?????

Moi?
Straight Laced? Prudish?
Well really! (you cheeky whatsit you....)
super LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Carole,

Was Nina her real name? Was it a nick-name or a middle name?

I found a Sarah Nina Edmeades

I do see the name Edmed but nothing with a NINA.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey folks...I didn't think you get going 'that quickly' .... geez!

I've got all this other info that may be of use - I don't know. Should I post it here in 'all it's glorious mess' or try and straighten it out and send it via an e-mail or straighten it out and post it here?

I have no qualms about posting it here - and it will look good for our Forum too (sly ulterior motives see...).
So what do you reckon?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wheretheacornfell wrote:
Hi Carole,

Was Nina her real name? Was it a nick-name or a middle name?

I found a Sarah Nina Edmeades

I do see the name Edmed but nothing with a NINA.


It seems unlikely that Nina was her real name. More likely to be a diminutive.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Carole,

Whatever your little heart desires!!!! Post here, send it via email, fax me. Then again, do all three.Smile

And I told you I like a challenge!!!


I have access to the 1901 census. I'm not finding any Nina's with the surname - Payne, Edmed, or Offley. I did find this one.

Nina Edmonds abt 1898 B'ham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire

I'm double checking the BMD records now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all pretty interesting to me Carole, Trish and Marisa.

Carole, if you noticed the one name had "mina" in it. Could they have shortened it to Nina? It sorta sounds the same. Think

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a birth listing for the Wilhelmina Edmed in South Shields in 1893. I can't see any other names that Nina might be derived from - but given the Victorian propensity for shortening names it could be just about anything.

Sorry for accusing you of being straighlaced and prudish. Obviously I need my bum smacked for that one!! Silenced

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh this looks like so much fun...Trish, let me know when you need me to link..

If it needs to be found, I can almost guarantee Trish will find it..

and Marisa and I will stand by to add our two cents worth, too. Banana Party
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