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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave, your cats are gorgeous. Two ginger marmalades (as we Brits call 'em)!

I'e only ever had one cat - a tabby called Pineen (picinino), we had him for six years and one day he went out - and alas...never came back!

All the years I was working I would have liked a dog, but that wouldn't have been fair to the animal. But now I'm retired I got an abandoned dog from the local dog pound. He's just a little guy named Ciccio. His story is on the 'Pets' forum here.

He is wonderful sompany and as the saying goes:

You are your dog's master, but your cat's servant!

So true!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveFerro wrote:
Thanks for the info on mappina, goganga, (and why is map pronounced mup?);

Don't ask me how to pronounce words... Anxious I have so many troubles with English pronunciation! I wrote mup-peen-a with the "u" just because I think you pronounce our "a" like your "u"... Confused
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Hey Dave, your cats are so cute!!!!! Thanks for sharing their picture with us!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

goganga, I'm just trying to figure out the real words and their pronunciation. I don't know about the difference of the a and u, that's the way my mother pronounces it. She always says it's because they don't speak school Italian, just dialect. But there has to be some connection, some root to the the way they say words. I'm wondering about the influence of all the peoples that came to Italy. One of our areas was Samnite, so they spoke Oscan. I have a book about Rome that has a picture of a Samnite warrior, lacking only a shield and spear. It's very obvious that his nose is the most prominent feature. Almost certain proof of ancestry.

Carole, I didn't know the cats were called that...I am going to pass it on to family and friends, especially Kim as she likes things like that...cats and food in the same phrase. Sorry about your cat; what does picinino mean? Kim lost her first cat Gracie, but then got Bijou, who lived to 14; now they can't have cats at the new apartment. Kim called and said "Davey, we have to be three again!" but I don't know if she meant she and Gary and I or she and Gary and a cat.

Also glad you adopted from a shelter, there are so many that need homes. There is another stray that comes to eat here; he seems injured in his left eye, but I can't get near him yet. And Snip and Slug alternate chasing him away and ignoring him while he eats; very very hungry. So I move the uneaten food farther away from the house.

We have a comic strip here called Mutts, and I send clippings to Kim and to my daughter. The strip is not in Missy's paper, but Kim had me doing this for years before she looked at the SF paper and found that it was in there, considering the artist lives in SF. Anyway, it's hilarious; he's really got the cat/dog life down. I'm going to look for the website and direct you to it. Tomorrow, because I got an e-mail tonight from my daughter and spent most of the night responding. Love my little girl (well, she's in her thirties, but still my baby).

My cousin Stan also took in a stray and got it fixed after two litters; the prices are high: $120 so no wonder people can't afford it. He got some help as he's on disability and can't work. There's also that Feral Cat Association, which is a great idea, but they are overwhelmed.

Here's Stan's two cats: Chelsea and Miss Kitty, who had ear hair that curves back; leave it to a cat to make ear hair glamorous.

Dave

And how did an English woman get to Italy?
Goganga:::what's your part of the country like? Is it cold in winter? Do not like that winter with the shoveling.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave - to answer your questions:

Piccinin is 'dialect' for little one. Kitty&Smiley

Mutt is also the 'nickname' of Ciccio - but then so is 'Jam Tart'!!!!.
You can see his latest (naughty) dogwalk escapade
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on my 'blog'.

Also, if you go to the My Pets forum here on "Amici" you will find some wonderful stories about many of our member's pets. (included in these is 'Ciccio's Story')!

I came to Italy to marry a Milanese in the 60's - stayed for almost 10 years and have come back now that I've retired.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveFerro wrote:

Goganga:::what's your part of the country like? Is it cold in winter? Do not like that winter with the shoveling.


No, it isn't cold in winter here. My town is close to the sea (I can see it from the window) and because of the sea our winters are often humid and a bit windy. It rarely snows here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
Sorry I didn't get back to answer until tonight. Some running around, bringing my mother to church, the store, etc and sneaking to the cemetery to look for gravestones for FindAGrave (bsnclr, ie Barbara) Found a few yesterday, including one that another person missed. Today found another, like the one yesterday, covered with lichen and unreadable until washing and scraping. Then taking a pic.

Yeah the pics of the cats belong on the My Pets forum. Do wild birds, woodchucks, chipmunks, skunks (they're just hungry), raccoons, and other creatures count? Cardinals, Goldfinches and Hummingbirds are usually at the feeders.

Now it is cold here in the winter, though we don't get it as bad (a mere 85 inches) as Syracuse (180 inches of snow) and the area at the east end of Lake Ontario (18 feet). We are protected by the other Finger Lakes is my opinion, which are longer than Owasco Lake and extend farther north and south. Many wineries around here and though Auburn is still industrial, the city is surrounded by farms, mostly dairy and corn.
In the summer, there are all kinds of festivals, from church to firemen's chicken barbeques.

I prefer California weather which is like yours, goganga. However, the sky is usually cloudless unless it is foggy or in winter, overcast. But here in Central New York, there are beautiful clouds scudding along. I'm going to take pictures and send to friends in Calif to show them what they are missing. Except most are from states where there were clouds. Ever hear of a song called "Fluffy Clouds" by Orb? It always makes me think of growing up laying on the ground and watching, imagining what the shapes looked like.

I will look at your blog, Carole. I bet there is more snow where you are if the alps mean really up there, farther away from the coast.

Have to go,

See you later,

Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goganga wrote:
DaveFerro wrote:

Goganga:::what's your part of the country like? Is it cold in winter? Do not like that winter with the shoveling.


No, it isn't cold in winter here. My town is close to the sea (I can see it from the window) and because of the sea our winters are often humid and a bit windy. It rarely snows here.


I just looked to see where Liguria is, and I have been through there on a train when I was 19 going from Firenze to Menton (France). I remember especially La Spezia. Such a beautiful place!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveFerro wrote:
Yeah the pics of the cats belong on the My Pets forum. Do wild birds, woodchucks, chipmunks, skunks (they're just hungry), raccoons, and other creatures count? Cardinals, Goldfinches and Hummingbirds are usually at the feeders.

Yes, Dave! They count!!! Dancing
If you have some of their pictures, please, share them with us! We'd be glad to see them!

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I just looked to see where Liguria is, and I have been through there on a train when I was 19 going from Firenze to Menton (France). I remember especially La Spezia. Such a beautiful place!

James, I never saw La Spezia, but I know it's very beautiful.

If you ever will come here, I suggest you to visit La Spezia and San Remo too: this one is also called "the town of flowers" and it's really beautiful. San Remo is close to France border. Meanwhile, you can come to Savona too: it's between them... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I have family in LA Spezia I had to jump in here.

It is gorgeous...and there are sailors everywhere! Lou and I walked through there on our first day visiting and took the train over to Pisa. It wasn't too far. Florence wasn't that far either.

And then we visited Cinque Terre (did I spell that right, Simy?) I promise to dig up some of my old pictures one day.

I loved it there. Beautiful area..and so clean.

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And then we visited Cinque Terre (did I spell that right, Simy?) I promise to dig up some of my old pictures one day.

I loved it there. Beautiful area..and so clean.

Yes, you spelt it correct.

I agree, it's a beautiful area.

I'd be glad to look at your pictures of Cinque Terre!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Went to Carole's site and the story of her dog was a classic. The photos of the area were beautiful; I've been to the mountains here, but those are much bigger and extensive.

Now that you've mentioned La Spezia and Cinque Terre I have to google and see what's what. James...we have Biancos here in Auburn; do you know of any relatives?

There's a show on PBS about ferret owners. My friend Pam in Rochester has 6, foster mother to some for the animal shelter. Sure loves them.

This photo of Snip was right after the yawn. It's like she's saying "Brush me, you fool" Kind of seductive. If only I could teach them to brush themselves.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,
I am thoroughly enjoying this link. You are a true storyteller.

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Do any of your family use the term "Mup-peen" to describe a dish towel for drying. I heard Rachel Ray use it one day and couldn't believe I would ever hear that word on TV. I can't find it in the Italian dictionary. Also,
"Chey-woots" for mulberries. I don't know where my grandparents got these names. We call long johns "Moo-dons" and when my cousin found our grandfather's Italian Army discharge papers, one booklet listed the items he was issued: one was mutande...ah, so that's how you spell it.


I am sicilian by birth (came to the US when I was 14) and in my family we say mappina for dish towel or dusting rag. As far as I know it is not an Italian word and you won't find it normally in an italian dictionnary. The Italian word for 'mappina' is 'tovagliolo' or 'straccio'... straccio is more like a 'rag' and it is also used for 'mop' in Italy.... do you see the linguistic link between 'mop' and 'mappina'?

You already talked about mutande ... in Sicily they are called mutanne..

Nobody had discussed "Chey-woots" for mulberries. The Italian word for mulberries is 'celsi' pronounced more or less like "Chelsy" but in Sicilian they are 'cevusa' "chey voo sah" ... you can see why they were called 'chey woots' in your family....

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Sicily certainly has a variety of peoples.


We are a 'melting pot' and proud of it. In addition to people who look 'Italian', you also see there people who obviously have North Africa or Arabic ancentry or Greek or Spanish, Germanic, Celtic... people with black (ebony), red (more often auburn), brown, blond hair..black, brown, blue and green and hazel eyes.... and often in the same family... it is wonderful... On my great-greatmother's 80th birthday we all aligned ourselves from darkest to lightest in the family picture...We have a great fun with that!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carole, I read the blog entry about Ciccio and the almond cake. I would never believe you did that to that poor sod!!!

And....................it's hard to imagine that even after what you did he didn't want anymore of what was left of it. He is, after all a canine and pooches loooooove food even if they had to suffer a bit after eating it.

Now admit it Carole, just what WERE you thinking, or not thinking by leaving it on the table? Think Buttkick

Oh poor Ciccio!!! up

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Maria,

Thanks for the explanation of the mulberries. Now I can blame my granpa Bissi (from Siculiana). Sometimes, different relatives, even with the same grandparents, have never heard of some food or practice. And they grew up across the street from each other.

My Italian dictionary says gelso and the moro del gelso for the berry, very close to what you said. Morus is the botonical name. Yet mora is for blackberry. Oh well.

In Jerre Mangione's book Mount Allegro, he describes his first visit to Sicily and the same mixture of skin colors, eyes, hair as in Rochester. Sicily is so close to Africa, so...Mangione also mentions that Saint Calergo, the patron saint, might have been African. My cousin Chick gets very dark in the summer. One aunt has reddish hair, and my grandfather Bissi has his mustache described as "chestnut" (in Italian documents). I had a little in mine. Now Stan had really red hair and his sister blond hair, but their father was Polish; Aunt Carrie has red hair though, and one niece (out of seven girls and five boys of Uncle Sammy's kids) has reddish, like you said, auburn colored hair.

Did you ever have the orange salad we called Insalata del Morte? We don't tell non-Italians that until after they try it, like with calamare. But it's so good, we have it on all holidays. Yet Stan never had it until last year when he ate with us. Just sliced oranges sprinkled with olive oil and black pepper; a little sugar if they are not sweet enough. Into the fridge and serve for dinner.

Rosie,

Carole's puppy is now conditioned to associate the almond cake with punishment, so he's going to run. Sometimes, you just think "Aw they're not going to do anything."

What happened to the cat you were looking at in another topic? Now I'm worried about it. And I would like to see another pic of your cat, with the tail. White cat with black tail. Also what are those green things on his head?

4:43 am again! Goodnight..

Dave

And what does "olive skin" mean? I keep thinking of green or black and the military olive drab.
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